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#273688 - 10/21/04 01:50 AM "Terrorists for Kerry"
Rory Bellows Offline
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Yasser Arafat Endorses Kerry

That's right, another exemplary world leader has endorsed John Kerry.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat is hoping John Kerry wins the presidential election in November, several Palestinian leaders told WorldNetDaily.
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"The president [Arafat] is frustrated with Bush's policies," he said. "The president [Arafat] thinks Kerry will be much better for the Palestinian cause and for the establishment of a Palestinian state."
I can see a new line of Kerry bumper stickers now...

"Terrorists for Kerry"
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#273689 - 10/21/04 04:01 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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At least Kerry can think for himself, unlike Bouche,without cheney,bouche does not make a move, like he did in that video when he was told about the terrorists slamming planes into the two towers............Fishy.
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#273690 - 10/21/04 04:49 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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So how long did it take for Kerry to respond after the attack???? Hmmm, Michael Moore left that out of his little fairy tale movie didn't he?

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#273691 - 10/21/04 05:26 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Know what's weird PP? John Kerry WASN'T the Commander in Chief during 9/11. Wonder if that matters to you at all?


...probably not... ;\)
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#273692 - 10/21/04 07:30 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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PP, what the heck was John Kerry supposed to do, the whole world was waiting for some type of action from our commander-in-SLEEP. I guess bouche didn't act because no body could find cheney, you know the one that really pulls the strings...............Fishy.
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#273693 - 10/21/04 07:41 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Kerry went to lunch. I know no one of any merit that would not have gone down to help.
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#273694 - 10/22/04 07:07 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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I guess that includes your guy Bouche!
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#273695 - 10/23/04 11:08 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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A new study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) shows that supporters of President Bush hold wildly inaccurate views about the world. For example, "a large majority [72 percent] of Bush supporters believe that before the war Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."[1] Most Bush supporters [57 percent] also believe that the recently released report by Charles Duelfer, the administration's hand-picked weapons inspector, concluded Iraq either had WMD or a major program for developing them.[2] In fact, the report concluded "Saddam Hussein did not produce or possess any weapons of mass destruction for more than a decade before the U.S.-led invasion" and the U.N. inspection regime had "curbed his ability to build or develop weapons."[3]

According to the study, 75 percent Bush supporters also believe "Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda."[4] Most Bush supporters [55 percent] believe that was the conclusion of the 9/11 commission.[5] In fact, the 9/11 commission concluded there was no "collaborative relationship" between al-Qaeda and Iraq.[6]

Bush supporters also hold inaccurate views about world public opinion of the war in Iraq and a range of Bush's foreign policy positions.[7]

Sources:

1. "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," Program on International Policy Attitudes, 10/21/04
2. "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," Program on International Policy Attitudes, 10/21/04
3. "Iraq's Illicit Weapons Gone Since Early '90s, CIA Says," Los Angeles Times, 10/07/04,
4. "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," Program on International Policy Attitudes, 10/21/04
5. "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," Program on International Policy Attitudes, 10/21/04
6. "Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed," Washington Post, 6/17/04,
7. "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," Program on International Policy Attitudes, 10/21/04
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#273696 - 10/25/04 11:09 AM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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You or they are playing a game.

It's all how you frame it for example your statement.

"According to the study, 75 percent Bush supporters also believe "Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda."[4] Most Bush supporters [55 percent] believe that was the conclusion of the 9/11 commission.[5] In fact, the 9/11 commission concluded there was no "collaborative relationship" between al-Qaeda and Iraq.[6]"


The 911 comission said their was no operational link between Iraq and 911. The question of support in general to Al Qaeda was not with in the scope of their duties . So they left that question un answered but pointed to evidence that there was and that is needs to be looked at further.
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#273697 - 10/25/04 11:20 AM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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No within their scope? Can you post for us the exact extent of their duties for the investigation?
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#273698 - 10/25/04 12:11 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Their scope was 911 only and they found not operational link between the two on that issue alone. They addressed the link betweeen Iraq and Al Quaeda not related to 911 by saying it appeared there was one and that it should be looked into by others.

Read the report it's all there in glorious black and white.
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#273699 - 10/25/04 12:16 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Thankyou for perfectly confirming my earlier post.
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#273700 - 10/25/04 12:43 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
Theking Offline
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Then you need to look at your post again. It does not specicially draw a line defining the two separate issues in the 911 report. One is in relation to specifically 911 the other is in general. It is a very important distinction to make in a survey.
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#273701 - 10/26/04 11:42 AM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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It seems as though the terrorists are pretty happy with the way Bouche has mis-handled everything in Iraq, now that the terrorists have an extra 380 TONS of High Explosives to kill more of our men and women with. Yeah you guys are right as always, we are safer with Bouche in charge, as long as we start to dig our bomb shelters now.
Seems as though your AWOL COWARD has blown it again...............Fishy.
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#273702 - 10/28/04 09:27 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Maybe I should have posted this under 'Kerry Supporters Gone Wild'


TERROR TAPE WARNS OF BUSH, CHENEY CONSEQUENCE
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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206661


The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape which warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney.

"What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11," the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video.

"After decades of American tyranny, now it's your turn to die."

The alarming tape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11.

The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated the tape, federal sources tell DRUDGE.

ABCNEWS obtained the tape from a source in Pakistan.

"You are guilty, guilty, guilty. You're as guilty as Bush and Cheney. You're as guilty as Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Powell...," the man states.

He goes on to warn of an upcoming horror: "The streets will run with blood," and "America will mourn in silence" because they will be unable to count the number of the dead.

"People of America, that was the verdict now for the sentencing: as participants and partners in the crimes of the regime, you too shall pay the price for the blood that has been spilled."
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#273703 - 10/28/04 11:37 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rory Bellows:
[QB] Maybe I should have posted this under 'Kerry Supporters Gone Wild'


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TONIGHT BBC TV TO REVEAL NEW FLORIDA VOTE SCANDAL - REPUBLICAN "CAGING LIST"
Posted Oct 26, 2004 03:49 PM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

http://www.gregpalast.com/


Tonight BBC TV to Reveal New Florida Vote Scandal
Republican "Caging List"

BBC Television News On-Line

Tuesday, October 26, 2004

Greg Palast, reporting

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Watch it now .

Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

Ion Sancho, a Democrat, noted that Florida law allows political party operatives inside polling stations to stop voters from obtaining a ballot.

Mass challenges

They may then only vote "provisionally" after signing an affidavit attesting to their legal voting status.

Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."

"Quite frankly, this process can be used to slow down the voting process and cause chaos on election day; and discourage voters from voting."

Sancho calls it "intimidation." And it may be illegal.

In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

Purging soldiers

At least 50 persons on the list are in the military, most stationed at the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville. They now face challenge because some, like Randall Prausa of Atlantic Beach, have been shipped overseas.

Private detective

In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The private detective claimed not to know who was paying for his all-day services.

On the scene, Democratic Congresswoman Corinne Brown said the surveillance operation was part of a campaign of intimidation tactics used by the Republican Party to intimate and scare off African American voters, almost all of whom are registered Democrats.

Greg Palast reporting. The film will be broadcast by Newsnight tonight, Tuesday, 26 October, 2004 at 2230 BST (5:30pm New York time).
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#273704 - 10/29/04 07:51 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Bin Laden Condemns Bush, Says New Attacks Possible


Oct 29, 5:13 PM (ET)


Osama bin Laden accused George W. Bush on October 29, 2004 of deceiving Americans and said the...


By Ghaida Ghantous

DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden burst into the U.S. election campaign on Saturday, releasing his first video tape in more than a year to deride President Bush and warn of possible new Sept. 11-style attacks.

Bush had failed Americans with his Middle East policies, deceiving the nation and putting it at risk from further al Qaeda strikes, bin Laden said. The speech was his clearest claim yet of responsibility for the Sept. 11 strikes of 2001.

Appearing in a video released from hiding to Al Jazeera television four days before the U.S. presidential poll and gesturing with a finger to stress points, he said the Sept. 11 attacks would not have been so severe if Bush had been alert.

"Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened," he said.

It looked like a deliberate attempt to influence the U.S. election on Tuesday.

But he made little mention of Bush's Democratic challenger John Kerry, saying only: "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe."

Al Qaeda sympathizers attacked trains in Madrid in March just before a Spanish general election, an act that some analysts said contributed to the defeat of the government, which had allied itself with Bush by sending troops to Iraq.

He said he thought of the idea of attacking the U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

The Bush administration resembled "corrupt" Arab governments, he said, reading from a sheet of paper.

HASH(0x330c4)

BIN LADEN'S VOICE STRONG

His voice was strong and he appeared in fair health, his full beard a mixture of white and dark gray.

Bin Laden, apparently sitting or standing at a table against a neutral brown background, wore a white head covering and white tunic under a light brown cloak.

A U.S. official said U.S. intelligence agencies believed that it appeared to be bin Laden on the tape.

Bush has ordered U.S. forces to get bin Laden dead or alive and American officials have said they suspect he is hiding in the border area between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

An editor at Al Jazeera said the Qatar-based channel had received the video tape on Friday but did not say how. He said the tape was new but did not give any details.

Saudi-born bin Laden last appeared in a video tape broadcast by Al Jazeera in September 2003, showing him and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahri descending a mountainside calling for jihad and praising the Sept. 11 hijackers.

In April, Arab television stations broadcast an audio tape purportedly from bin Laden offering a three-month truce to Europeans if they withdrew troops from Muslim nations. The deadline expired with no word from bin Laden.
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#273705 - 10/29/04 11:54 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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I don't care what color you try to paint him, he will always be YELLOW!
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#273706 - 10/30/04 07:51 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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That picture of GW fishing is sickening, like seeing a photo of charlie manson doing charity work for children.

Let me tell you guys, Bush is no friend of the sportsman. If you are voting for Bush that's your choice but please don't try to think he's good for fish and wildlife. He will of course "play along" like any good politician to maintain votes but his actions tell a far different story. Here is some info I pasted from the Wildlife Action Fund. Keep in mind this information is generated by the best in the field, a team of fish and wildlife doctorates, this is what they do for a living. Pay particular attention to numbers 5 and 6 below, then decide if GW is a good thing for our environment and the future we will be leaving for those that come after us.


1. Bush packed his administration with former industry lobbyists unfriendly to environmental issues. He made Gale Norton his Secretary of the Interior, despite her having argued before the Supreme Court that the Endangered Species Act is unconstitutional, and tapped J. Steven Griles as her deputy, though he continues to earn money from his past position as a lobbyist for the oil and gas industries.

2. The Bush administration has proposed drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and is considering weakening laws against new oil and gas drilling off the coasts of Florida and California – putting wildlife populations at risk in all three regions. More>>
One of President Bush’s first acts was to revoke protections for forests by voiding the Roadless Area Conservation Rule for the Tongass and Chugach National Forests in Alaska. Now his administration proposes opening more than 58 million more acres of protected forests to road-building and logging projects by allowing governors in the lower 48 states to opt out of protecting wild forests.

3. President Bush has reneged on his campaign promise of four years ago to fully fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF), which provides matching grants to states and local governments for the conservation of public outdoor recreation areas. His budgets over the past three years have failed to fund the LWCF at its authorized level of $900 million, averaging less than half that, and leaving key conservation programs underfunded.

4. Through both direct regulatory action and actions through the court system, the Bush administration has worked to weaken the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), which ensures that the federal government exercises care when making decions that impact the natural environment. Bush has repeatedly called for exemptions to NEPA for Department of Defense Activities, highway building, and energy drilling leases on public lands.

5. The Bush administration proposed a plan to eliminate Clean Water Act protections for more than 20 million acres of America’s wetlands, abandoning the plan only under considerable pressure from conservation groups, hunters and anglers, and a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives. Still on the table is a White House “policy guidance” that would dump Clean Water Act prohibitions on pollution in so-called “isolated” streams, ponds, and wetlands.

6. Courts have found the Bush administration in violation of the Endangered Species Act more than 60 times in just three years in office. Furthermore, the administration has listed only 25 species under the Act in three years, every single one of them the result of a court order. (The first Bush administration listed an average of 58 species per year, and the Clinton administration averaged 65 additions per year.)

7/ President Bush has proposed allowing electric and coal companies to emit nearly seven times more mercury than is allowed under our current law, placing hundreds of thousands of children and pregnant women at risk for damage to developing brains and nervous systems. Four years ago, the EPA formally designated mercury as a hazardous pollutant, and already one of every three U.S. lakes and one in ever four U.S. rivers are so contaminated that the fish in them should not be eaten. Still, the Bush administration halted enforcement of the EPA's regulations and proposed its own more relaxed rules, at the request of big industrial corporations.

For anyone interested in seeing this link go to:

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/bushRecord.jsp#2

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#273707 - 10/30/04 08:10 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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I guess since River Man is an 'enlightened' one issue environmentalist voter--He'll be voting for Ralph Nader since he is by far the most 'environmentally friendly' candidate running.

If you want to do the most to protect the environment--VOTE NADER!!
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BTW---If as an enviromentalist the sight of Bush fishing makes you sick, this picture will probably give you a heart attack:


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#273708 - 10/30/04 08:42 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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Hey Rory, so long as you are visting "Patriotic Sportsman for Bush" you might as well visit "Osama Bin Ladens Prayer Gathering for World Peace"...makes about as much sense.

Keep in mind that even if GW wins he will only win by the slimmest of margins. If he had done has job at all he would take this election with ease. Half of all voters don't like him and that is probably not going to change, he's a very poor leader.

RM

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#273709 - 11/01/04 03:11 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES

By NILES LATHEM

New York Post

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm
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November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.

The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry.

MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us."

The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: "Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president.

Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term "ay-wilaya" to refer to a "state" in that sentence.

That term "specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee," Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a "country" he would have used the Arabic word "dawla."

MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word "ay-wilaya" was meant as a "warning to every U.S state separately."

"It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy," the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation.
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#273711 - 11/01/04 04:34 PM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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... and don't forget to make sure that it's wrapped tightly around your nose and mouth! Popular wisdom says that an occasional bout of hypoxia is a sure cure for extreme ultra-conservatism! ...or was that copy / pastitis?

Either way... ;\) :p \:D
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#273712 - 11/02/04 12:44 AM Re: "Terrorists for Kerry"
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November 2, 2004 No.809

Progressive Columnist: 'Bin Laden's Tape is a Tape of Capitulation and Bankruptcy'

Progressive columnist Dr. Mamoun Fandy wrote an article in the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram titled 'Bin Laden Votes for John Kerry: A Tape of Admission, Voting and Capitulation.' The following are excerpts from the article: [1]

'Osama Bin Laden Announced his Vote for John Kerry'

"The new phenomenon in the U.S. elections is that non-Americans are voting in the elections in the hope of changing America's course. [ U.N. Secretary-General] Kofi Annan, for example, voted for [Senator] John Kerry when he criticized [President] Bush's policy in Iraq and described the invasion of Iraq as an illegal action. On the other hand, Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi voted for Bush in his recent visit to the U.S. when he thanked the U.S. and its president in [his address] to the Congress and in the White House. Recently, Osama bin Laden announced his vote for John Kerry in his latest tape, which was presented to us by the political porn channel [i.e. Al-Jazeera].

"The most important thing in the tape is his sincere admission that he is the man who had planned the September 11 attacks. He specified the motives that justified this operation, which began to ferment in his mind since Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982…

"The main point in this case is that Osama himself admitted to carrying out the operation which his friends and disciples were denying for a long time. And here we have evidence, in sound and image, that the man [i.e. bin Laden] is the primary [party] responsible for the events of September 11 and that neither the Mossad nor the CIA were behind the [events], as the low-ranking [Arab] commentators have claimed. Nor the Serbs, as the senior political commentators have claimed."

'Bin Laden Does Not Refer at All to Jihad in This Tape'

"The second point is that the tape is one of capitulation and bankruptcy, and not one of threat and warning, since bin Laden appears in regular robes and not in a military uniform with a rifle on his side. Bin Laden has relinquished his military [character] and his arms. This, of course, is intentional on the part of the public relations administration within Al-Qa'ida and outside it.

"In addition, bin Laden does not refer at all to Jihad in this tape. There was no [mention] of Hadiths or of Koranic verses, and not even a mention of the month of Ramadan, which we [mark] today. The tape is devoid of religious manifestations and is devoid of any [mention] of the conflict between East and West, or [the war of] the Mujahideen against the infidel Crusaders, whether Christians or Jews.

"Bin Laden's speech was restricted to technical issues of U.S. foreign policy and its relations with the Middle East. In addition, it was restricted to an attempt to influence the voters in every [U.S.] state, with [bin Laden] stating that [each] state is responsible for its own security by means of its vote – and bin Laden's lack of understanding of the internal situation in the U.S. is [yet another] issue, which I will not elaborate on here."

'This Tape Resembles the Announcements of Commercial Companies Which are Going Out of Business'

"The tape tells George Bush: 'Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone.' It is obvious, from both the language and the body language, that this is a speech of a man who is capitulating, withdrawing, or trying to 'change his spots' from a Jihad fighter to a politician. This tape resembles the announcements of commercial companies which are going out of business.

"Bin Laden gave justifications for the events of September 11, and admitted responsibility for them, and here he is announcing that he votes for John Kerry in the elections. His speech contained expressions borrowed from the Democratic Convention or from Kerry's speeches, such as the story of George Bush telling a girl in Florida a tale about a goat. This expression appeared frequently in John Kerry's speeches, and it is obvious that whoever wrote bin Laden's speeches has democratic leanings, or at the very least that he follows John Kerry's speeches with interest. Moreover, bin Laden appeared in the tape as if he were advisor to Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, for he provided hints, free-of-charge, about the way to [better] preserve U.S. security.

"The outcome of the election we will know today or tomorrow, but the tape will remain a tape of admission, voting, and capitulation."
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"Yes, I would support raising taxes"--Kanektok Kid

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